{"id":42733,"date":"2024-10-25T12:31:16","date_gmt":"2024-10-25T10:31:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/?p=42733"},"modified":"2024-10-30T14:19:18","modified_gmt":"2024-10-30T12:19:18","slug":"fabrice-hadjadj-resume-forum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/fr\/actualidad\/fabrice-hadjadj-resumen-foro\/","title":{"rendered":"Fabrice Hadjadj : \"Il se peut que les abuseurs communiquent de vraies gr\u00e2ces\"."},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"La blessure des abus dans l&#039;\u00c9glise\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/WHX_k8KTZ4Q?start=31&#038;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">L'apr\u00e8s-midi du 24 octobre, le campus de troisi\u00e8me cycle de l'universit\u00e9 de Navarre \u00e0 Madrid a vu son amphith\u00e9\u00e2tre se remplir de personnes venues \u00e9couter Fabrice Hadjadj, \u00e9crivain et philosophe fran\u00e7ais.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hadjadj est l'auteur d'ouvrages tels que \"La foi des d\u00e9mons\", \"Le paradis \u00e0 la porte\" et \"La foi des d\u00e9mons\".<a href=\"https:\/\/edicionesencuentro.com\/libro\/lobos-disfrazados-de-corderos\/\">Des loups d\u00e9guis\u00e9s en moutons<\/a>\". Dans ce dernier ouvrage, le penseur r\u00e9fl\u00e9chit aux abus spirituels dans l'\u00c9glise et tente de d\u00e9m\u00ealer les causes de ce mal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Au cours du forum, organis\u00e9 en collaboration avec la <a href=\"https:\/\/www.unav.edu\/web\/master-en-cristianismo-y-cultura-contemporanea\">Ma\u00eetrise en christianisme et culture contemporaine de l'Universit\u00e9 de Navarre <\/a>et Ediciones Encuentro, Fabrice s'est entretenu avec la journaliste Joseba Louzao. Les questions pos\u00e9es au public \u00e9taient diverses et profondes, allant de l'infantilisation de la foi, \u00e0 la filiation divine et, bien s\u00fbr, \u00e0 l'abus spirituel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cat\u00e9gories ambigu\u00ebs<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">M. Hadjadj a fait remarquer que certains journalistes ont d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que son livre sur les abus spirituels ne prenait pas parti pour les victimes. \"Ce n'est pas le cas, car il existe d\u00e9j\u00e0 des livres qui adoptent ce point de vue. J'ai fait quelque chose d'autre, j'ai abord\u00e9 la question du point de vue des auteurs. Il y a une position facile que je veux \u00e9viter, c'est de prendre le parti des victimes. Je suis juif, mais je n'ai jamais voulu prendre le parti des victimes et je ne le ferai pas maintenant. Nous sommes impliqu\u00e9s dans une sorte de religion de la victime : parce que je suis une victime, je suis innocent. Parce que je suis une victime, je suis innocent. Parce que je suis une victime, ce que je dis est la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 absolue. Mais, d'une part, il n'y a qu'une victime et un innocent, c'est le Christ et, d'autre part, le traumatisme peut faire basculer dans une position violente \u00e9galement\".<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans les derni\u00e8res minutes de la conversation, Fabrice a parl\u00e9 de la relation entre la victime et l'abuseur, notant que dans les cas d'abus spirituels, \"la cat\u00e9gorie de l'abuseur et de l'abus\u00e9 ne fonctionne pas tout \u00e0 fait\". Cette diff\u00e9renciation est \"plus obscure\" et soul\u00e8ve la question suivante : \"Quelle est notre part de consentement ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans une relation spirituelle p\u00e8re-fils, explique Fabrice, m\u00eame si l'on peut affirmer qu'il y a abus de la part du p\u00e8re, il faut aussi reconna\u00eetre que le fils consent dans bien des cas \u00e0 certaines avances. Et quand on commence \u00e0 discerner ce qui s'est pass\u00e9, a dit Hadjajd, \"on ne peut pas penser que celui qui est victime est directement innocent\".<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">L'indemnisation n'est pas la gu\u00e9rison<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">D'autre part, Fabrice rappelle que les indemnisations ne suffisent pas \u00e0 sauver les victimes. Ces indemnit\u00e9s sont des solutions civiles qui ne compl\u00e8tent pas la conversion spirituelle n\u00e9cessaire \u00e0 la gu\u00e9rison de la personne qui a subi des abus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">L'intervention du Christ et de sa parole est n\u00e9cessaire, essentielle. Une parole, celle de J\u00e9sus, qui est purifi\u00e9e, non pas comme celle de la victime ou comme les mots que nous utilisons pour parler de l'abus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">La purification de la parole<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans le m\u00eame sens, \"la parole qui na\u00eet du traumatisme est une parole qui doit aussi \u00eatre purifi\u00e9e\". Purifi\u00e9, et pas seulement en termes d'abus subis, mais aussi en termes de toute l'exp\u00e9rience du spirituel. \"Le mal que la personne abus\u00e9e spirituellement a subi d\u00e9forme la vision m\u00eame de sa spiritualit\u00e9\", a poursuivi M. Hadjadj, \"nous devons \u00e9couter cette parole, mais nous ne pouvons pas oublier la parole du Christ et nous devons proc\u00e9der \u00e0 la purification\".<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La parole du Christ nous permet \u00e9galement de \"lever toutes nos ambigu\u00eft\u00e9s\" en ce qui concerne les cat\u00e9gories susmentionn\u00e9es d'abuseur et d'abus\u00e9. Nous y parvenons en faisant confiance \u00e0 J\u00e9sus, la \"victime qui vient nous sauver\".<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fabrice a conclu son intervention en rappelant qu'il faut \"reconna\u00eetre que les personnes qui ont abus\u00e9 ont pu communiquer de vraies gr\u00e2ces aux gens\". En ce sens, il faut \"garder le bon, rejeter le mauvais et savoir que l'on est sauv\u00e9 \u00e0 partir du moment o\u00f9 l'on reconna\u00eet que l'on n'est pas seulement une victime\".<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Les abonn\u00e9s au magazine Omnes pourront lire un compte-rendu complet avec tous les d\u00e9tails de la conversation avec Fabrice Hadjadj dans le nouveau num\u00e9ro de novembre 2024. Si vous n'\u00eates pas abonn\u00e9 au magazine et que vous souhaitez recevoir le prochain num\u00e9ro, vous pouvez vous abonner au prochain num\u00e9ro. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/fr\/abonnement\/\">ici<\/a>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>El 24 de octubre por la tarde la sede de posgrado de la Universidad de Navarra en Madrid observ\u00f3 c\u00f3mo su aula magna se llenaba de personas que acudieron a escuchar a Fabrice Hadjadj, escritor y fil\u00f3sofo franc\u00e9s. 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