{"id":19565,"date":"2022-03-13T06:05:00","date_gmt":"2022-03-13T05:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/omnesmag.com\/?p=19565"},"modified":"2022-03-16T13:05:12","modified_gmt":"2022-03-16T12:05:12","slug":"wywiad-kardynal-czerny-ukraina-wojna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/actualidad\/entrevista-cardenal-czerny-ucrania-guerra\/","title":{"rendered":"<b>Kardyna\u0142 Czerny<\/b>Religia mo\u017ce pokaza\u0107 jedno\u015b\u0107, kt\u00f3r\u0105 wojna ma tendencj\u0119 do niszczenia\"."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Specjalny wys\u0142annik papie\u017ca Franciszka, kardyna\u0142 Michael Czerny, sp\u0119dzi\u0142 trzy dni na rozdartej wojn\u0105 Ukrainie. \"Moja - wyja\u015bni\u0142 prefekt ad interim Dykasterii ds. Pos\u0142ugi Integralnego Rozwoju Cz\u0142owieka - jest drog\u0105 modlitwy, proroctwa i denuncjacji. Wyje\u017cd\u017cam z Rzymu 8 marca do Budapesztu i b\u0119d\u0119 nadal spotyka\u0142 si\u0119 z uchod\u017acami i przesiedle\u0144cami oraz z tymi, kt\u00f3rzy ich przyjmuj\u0105 i pomagaj\u0105\". Do Rzymu wr\u00f3ci\u0142 w pi\u0105tek 11 marca, w dniu, w kt\u00f3rym udziela tego wywiadu Omnesowi, aby opowiedzie\u0107 o swoich wra\u017ceniach. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Od kilku dni jeste\u015b wys\u0142any z t\u0105 \"specjaln\u0105 misj\u0105\" na Ukrain\u0119 z polecenia papie\u017ca, jakie by\u0142y Twoje wra\u017cenia i jak widzia\u0142e\u015b sytuacj\u0119 stamt\u0105d?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-W ci\u0105gu tych trzech dni misji zetkn\u0105\u0142em si\u0119 z r\u00f3\u017cnymi sytuacjami, ale wszystkie one mia\u0142y wsp\u00f3lny b\u00f3l: samotne matki z dzie\u0107mi bez m\u0119\u017c\u00f3w, starcy zmuszeni do przemieszczania si\u0119, nawet je\u015bli trudno im chodzi\u0107; dzieci, wiele dzieci; studenci z Azji i Afryki ewakuowani z dnia na dzie\u0144, zmuszeni do zamro\u017cenia nauki. Mog\u0142am si\u0119 zastanowi\u0107, czym r\u00f3\u017cni si\u0119 wojna do\u015bwiadczana przez media od wojny przekazywanej przez cierpienie ludzi. Ten ostatni to b\u00f3l, kt\u00f3ry trafia prosto do \u017co\u0142\u0105dka i serca. A tak\u017ce jak ten konflikt powoduje ogromne szkody w \u015bwiecie, kt\u00f3ry ju\u017c wcze\u015bniej do\u015bwiadcza\u0142 warunk\u00f3w podatno\u015bci na zagro\u017cenia z powodu pandemii i kryzysu ekologicznego.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"960\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-960x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-960x1024.jpg 960w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-600x640.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-657x700.jpg 657w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-281x300.jpg 281w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927-768x819.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522927.jpg 1420w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Pana intencj\u0105 by\u0142o przede wszystkim przybli\u017cenie papie\u017ca chrze\u015bcijanom. Jak uda\u0142o si\u0119 to przekaza\u0107?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-To, co Ojciec \u015awi\u0119ty powiedzia\u0142 na Anio\u0142 Pa\u0144ski, w kt\u00f3rym og\u0142osi\u0142 moj\u0105 i kardyna\u0142a Konrada Krajewskiego misj\u0119, by\u0142o w\u0142a\u015bnie jej celem: zwr\u00f3ci\u0107 uwag\u0119 ludzi na Papie\u017ca, nadzieje, udr\u0119ki i aktywne zaanga\u017cowanie w poszukiwanie pokoju. Stara\u0142em si\u0119 osi\u0105gn\u0105\u0107 ten cel przede wszystkim poprzez to, co nazywam \"sakramentem obecno\u015bci\", czyli poprzez fizyczn\u0105 obecno\u015b\u0107 w miejscach b\u00f3lu, kt\u00f3rymi w Budapeszcie by\u0142y dworce, o\u015brodki recepcyjne, parafie. Czasami s\u0142owa nie s\u0105 potrzebne. Na przyk\u0142ad ostatniego dnia na W\u0119grzech spotka\u0142em kilka kobiet z Kijowa i innych ukrai\u0144skich miast: wystarczy\u0142o, \u017ce wys\u0142ucha\u0142em ich historii, zapewni\u0142em je o moich modlitwach i udzieli\u0142em im b\u0142ogos\u0142awie\u0144stwa, aby da\u0107 im oczywist\u0105 pociech\u0119.<\/p>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n\t<p><p>Stara\u0142em si\u0119 osi\u0105gn\u0105\u0107 ten cel poprzez to, co nazywam \"sakramentem obecno\u015bci\", fizycznie b\u0119d\u0105c w miejscach b\u00f3lu. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t<cite>Kardyna\u0142 Micha\u0142 Czerny<span>Prefekt ad interim Dykasterii ds. S\u0142u\u017cby Integralnego Rozwoju Cz\u0142owieka<\/span><\/cite>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Czy m\u00f3g\u0142 te\u017c przynosi\u0107 pomoc materialn\u0105 wed\u0142ug w\u0142asnego uznania?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Na W\u0119grzech i podczas pobytu na Ukrainie w ostatni\u0105 \u015brod\u0119 uda\u0142o mi si\u0119 przynie\u015b\u0107 pomoc materialn\u0105 i duchow\u0105.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Czy mimo trudno\u015bci opieka duchowa nad chrze\u015bcijanami jest zagwarantowana?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Absolutnie i to jest jedna z rzeczy, kt\u00f3ra najbardziej mnie uderzy\u0142a podczas wyjazdu. Zobaczy\u0107 Ko\u015bci\u00f3\u0142, kt\u00f3ry naprawd\u0119 \"wychodzi na zewn\u0105trz\", jak chce Ojciec \u015awi\u0119ty. Kap\u0142ani, nawet ci z Ko\u015bcio\u0142\u00f3w Wschodnich ze swoimi rodzinami, kt\u00f3rzy nie opuszczaj\u0105 terenu, aby by\u0107 blisko ludzi. Albo wsp\u00f3lnoty takie jak Sant'Egidio, kt\u00f3re opr\u00f3cz stworzenia schroniska w parafii, troszcz\u0105 si\u0119 o organizowanie inicjatyw modlitewnych z uchod\u017acami, kt\u00f3rych przyjmuj\u0105. Albo Jesuit Refugee Service, kt\u00f3ra oferuje szkolenia dla wolontariuszy, aby mogli lepiej odpowiada\u0107 na rzeczywiste potrzeby uciekaj\u0105cych ludzi. To wa\u017cna praca i dobrze, \u017ce robi j\u0105 nie tylko Ko\u015bci\u00f3\u0142 katolicki, ale tak\u017ce wszystkie inne wyznania.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19568\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-600x400.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-700x467.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/20220310T0900-CZERNY-UKRAINE-HUNGARY-1522917.jpg 1420w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Jak\u0105 rol\u0119 w konflikcie odgrywa religia?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Religia mo\u017ce pokaza\u0107 jedno\u015b\u0107, kt\u00f3r\u0105 wojna ma tendencj\u0119 do niszczenia. Na przyk\u0142ad, podczas mojej wizyty w wiosce Beregove w zachodniej Ukrainie, by\u0142em pod wielkim wra\u017ceniem, widz\u0105c katolik\u00f3w obrz\u0105dku \u0142aci\u0144skiego, grekokatolik\u00f3w, protestant\u00f3w, reformowanych, \u017cyd\u00f3w, spotykaj\u0105cych si\u0119 razem, aby dzieli\u0107 si\u0119 prac\u0105 w sytuacji zagro\u017cenia uchod\u017acami. Ogromna sytuacja kryzysowa, z kt\u00f3r\u0105 mo\u017cna sobie poradzi\u0107 tylko wsp\u00f3lnie. \"Nie ma \u017cadnych r\u00f3\u017cnic, wszyscy jeste\u015bmy Dobrym Samarytaninem powo\u0142anym do tego, by teraz pomaga\u0107 innym\" - powiedzia\u0142 jeden z duszpasterzy podczas tego bardzo szczerego i braterskiego dialogu. To mnie pocieszy\u0142o, to naprawd\u0119 znak \u017cywego Ko\u015bcio\u0142a.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Jak widzi Pan przysz\u0142o\u015b\u0107 wojny?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Wojna nie ma przysz\u0142o\u015bci, w rzeczywisto\u015bci jest zniszczeniem ca\u0142ej przysz\u0142o\u015bci. Musimy nauczy\u0107 si\u0119 innego sposobu rozwi\u0105zywania konflikt\u00f3w i napi\u0119\u0107. Mam nadziej\u0119 w dobrym Bogu, kt\u00f3ry oddaje losy \u015bwiata w biedne ludzkie r\u0119ce.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Durante tres d\u00edas ha estado el enviado especial del Papa Francisco, el cardenal Michael Czerny, en Ucrania, devastado por la guerra. \u00abEl m\u00edo\u00bb, explicaba el tambi\u00e9n Prefecto ad interim del Dicasterio para el Servicio del Desarrollo Humano Integral, \u00abes un viaje de oraci\u00f3n, profec\u00eda y denuncia. 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