{"id":27146,"date":"2022-12-21T06:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-12-21T05:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/omnesmag.com\/?p=27146"},"modified":"2022-12-22T10:01:16","modified_gmt":"2022-12-22T09:01:16","slug":"wywiad-daniel-martin-salvador","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/actualidad\/entrevista-daniel-martin-salvador\/","title":{"rendered":"<b>Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador<\/b>Muzyka musi wzmacnia\u0107 S\u0142owo\"."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador, muzykolog i organista, to jedno z pierwszych nazwisk, kt\u00f3re przychodzi nam do g\u0142owy, gdy my\u015blimy o muzyce sakralnej. Koncertowa\u0142 w najwi\u0119kszych mi\u0119dzynarodowych salach. Obecnie dzieli sw\u00f3j czas mi\u0119dzy Madryt i Moskw\u0119, a z Omnesem rozmawia\u0142 o muzyce, liturgii i sztuce.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Jaki jest Tw\u00f3j stosunek do muzyki sakralnej?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- To nie jest zbyt wielka tajemnica. Wszyscy organi\u015bci s\u0105 zwi\u0105zani z muzyk\u0105 sakraln\u0105. Organy to instrument, kt\u00f3ry sam w sobie, ze wzgl\u0119du na swoj\u0105 to\u017csamo\u015b\u0107, jest w pe\u0142ni zwi\u0105zany z muzyk\u0105 sakraln\u0105 i liturgi\u0105. Gdybym po\u015bwi\u0119ci\u0142 si\u0119 innemu instrumentowi, mo\u017ce nie mia\u0142bym tej relacji, ale jako organista jest to nie do pomy\u015blenia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Organy s\u0105 zasadniczo instrumentem Ko\u015bcio\u0142a i dlatego organista musi zna\u0107 ca\u0142\u0105 liturgi\u0119. Oznacza to, \u017ce masz bardzo bliski zwi\u0105zek z ca\u0142\u0105 t\u0105 muzyk\u0105, co nie ma miejsca w przypadku innych instrument\u00f3w.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Jak powstaje zwi\u0105zek mi\u0119dzy Ko\u015bcio\u0142em, muzyk\u0105 i liturgi\u0105?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Zwi\u0105zek muzyki z liturgi\u0105 istnieje od niepami\u0119tnych czas\u00f3w. Na d\u0142ugo przed chrze\u015bcija\u0144stwem muzyka by\u0142a zwi\u0105zana najpierw z instynktami, a potem z za\u015bwiatami, z rzeczami niematerialnymi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Najwcze\u015bniejsze cywilizacje uwa\u017ca\u0142y, \u017ce muzyka odgrywa nieodzown\u0105 rol\u0119 w ich politeistycznych religiach. Grecy odziedziczyli to po Egipcjanach; a Rzymianie po Grekach. \u017bydzi r\u00f3wnie\u017c mieli tak\u0105 relacj\u0119. Nast\u0119pnie narodzi\u0142o si\u0119 chrze\u015bcija\u0144stwo, kt\u00f3re rozprzestrzeniaj\u0105c si\u0119 po Europie, zjednoczy\u0142o wszystkie te \u017cydowskie i mistyczne tradycje rozpowszechnione w ca\u0142ym Imperium Rzymskim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Muzyka w Ko\u015bciele powsta\u0142a g\u0142\u00f3wnie ze \u015bpiewu \u017cydowskich psalm\u00f3w. St\u0105d powsta\u0142 ca\u0142y system muzyki liturgicznej. Najciekawsze jest to, \u017ce liturgia, kt\u00f3ra powstaje jest w ca\u0142o\u015bci \u015bpiewana. Sob\u00f3r Watyka\u0144ski II zmienia panoram\u0119, w tym sensie, \u017ce Msze s\u0105 teraz m\u00f3wione, z momentami muzyki, ale w pierwotnej koncepcji liturgia nie by\u0142a taka. Pocz\u0105tkowo \u015bpiewano absolutnie wszystko. W rzeczywisto\u015bci prawos\u0142awni, kt\u00f3rzy niewiele r\u00f3\u017cni\u0105 si\u0119 od katolik\u00f3w, kontynuuj\u0105 stary spos\u00f3b odprawiania Mszy \u015bw. \u015apiewaj\u0105 wszystko opr\u00f3cz homilii, kt\u00f3ra jest jedyn\u0105 cz\u0119\u015bci\u0105 m\u00f3wion\u0105. Wszystko to dlatego, \u017ce w rzeczywisto\u015bci muzyka i liturgia rodz\u0105 si\u0119 jako jedno\u015b\u0107.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Czego katolicy mog\u0105 si\u0119 nauczy\u0107 od prawos\u0142awnego obrz\u0105dku liturgicznego?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- To, co musimy zrobi\u0107, to oduczy\u0107 si\u0119 tego, czego nauczyli\u015bmy si\u0119 na Soborze Watyka\u0144skim II. Prawos\u0142awni wci\u0105\u017c robi\u0105 to, co my, katolicy, robili\u015bmy kiedy\u015b. W\u0142a\u015bciwie ca\u0142a muzyka, kt\u00f3r\u0105 mamy dzisiaj, pochodzi z katolickiej muzyki liturgicznej. \u015apiewem Ko\u015bcio\u0142a katolickiego by\u0142 chora\u0142 gregoria\u0144ski, ale w Pary\u017cu w XII wieku zacz\u0119to \"upi\u0119ksza\u0107\" chora\u0142 gregoria\u0144ski. W ten spos\u00f3b pojawi\u0142y si\u0119 pierwsze formy polifonii. Te r\u00f3\u017cne g\u0142osy ewoluowa\u0142y, a\u017c w po\u0142owie \u015bredniowiecza dochodzimy do renesansu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">W renesansie, na Soborze Trydenckim, Ko\u015bci\u00f3\u0142 dokona\u0142 bardzo obszernego rozdzia\u0142u na temat muzyki w liturgii. Od tego momentu w tym samym czasie powsta\u0142a muzyka, kt\u00f3ra by\u0142a bardzo podobna, ale profanacyjna. Od tej religijnej muzyki wszystko zacz\u0119\u0142o si\u0119 rozwija\u0107. Powsta\u0142y madryga\u0142y, potem opera, romantyzm, klasycyzm... I ewolucja trwa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Z tego prawos\u0142awnego obrz\u0105dku nie mo\u017cemy si\u0119 niczego nauczy\u0107, bo tak bardzo ewoluowali\u015bmy, \u017ce sko\u0144czy\u0142o si\u0119 na inwolucji. Na szcz\u0119\u015bcie w ostatnich czasach pojawi\u0142a si\u0119 tendencja do powrotu do korzeni, w ramach norm Rady.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-27156\" width=\"289\" height=\"164\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41.png 920w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41-700x400.png 700w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41-768x439.png 768w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41-18x10.png 18w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Captura-de-pantalla-2022-12-19-a-las-10.49.41-600x343.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 289px) 100vw, 289px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Daniel na koncercie w Moskwie<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Problem polega na tym, \u017ce wielu ludzi my\u015bli, \u017ce Sob\u00f3r Watyka\u0144ski II wyeliminowa\u0142 chora\u0142 gregoria\u0144ski i organy, ale tak nie jest. Sob\u00f3r Watyka\u0144ski II m\u00f3wi, \u017ce j\u0119zykiem urz\u0119dowym Ko\u015bcio\u0142a katolickiego jest \u0142acina, a je\u015bli chodzi o muzyk\u0119, to j\u0119zykiem urz\u0119dowym jest chora\u0142 gregoria\u0144ski. Ale w latach 70. modne sta\u0142y si\u0119 gitary i bardzo powszechne by\u0142o wprowadzanie do liturgii pie\u015bni z gitarami, co jest sposobem \"protestantyzacji\" liturgii katolickiej.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Walczyli\u015bmy, m\u00f3wi\u0105c, \u017ce muzyka pochodzi od Ducha \u015awi\u0119tego, ale teraz \u015bpiewamy covery Beatles\u00f3w. To nie pasuje do liturgii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Benedykt XVI, kt\u00f3ry ma studia muzyczne i jest wielkim znawc\u0105 liturgii, otoczy\u0142 si\u0119 lud\u017ami, kt\u00f3rzy byli r\u00f3wnie\u017c wielkimi kompozytorami i liturgistami, co pomaga przybli\u017cy\u0107 ludziom muzyk\u0119 sakraln\u0105 przy zachowaniu korzeni. Stopniowo otwieraj\u0105 si\u0119 drzwi do reformy liturgii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Dlaczego muzyka sakralna przybli\u017ca nas do Boga?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Bo to muzyka do tego stworzona. Przede wszystkim jest w s\u0142u\u017cbie S\u0142owa, a to jest najwa\u017cniejsze. Muzyka, w niematematycznej definicji, jest wyrazem uczu\u0107. Kiedy jeste\u015b w Ko\u015bciele, funkcj\u0105 muzyki jest pomoc w podniesieniu duszy do nieba, wi\u0119c mo\u017cemy powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce relacja jest odwr\u00f3cona. To nie jest kwestia uczu\u0107, S\u0142owo Bo\u017ce jest S\u0142owem Bo\u017cym, nie zmienia si\u0119 jak uczucia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Po drugie, w sztuce, a\u017c do XIX wieku, wszystko robiono na wi\u0119ksz\u0105 chwa\u0142\u0119 Boga. Cz\u0142owiek jest zdolny do podejmowania monumentalnych wysi\u0142k\u00f3w na wi\u0119ksz\u0105 chwa\u0142\u0119 Boga. To pomaga nam zbli\u017cy\u0107 si\u0119 do Boga. Prowadzi nas ku Niemu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Czy bycie w s\u0142u\u017cbie S\u0142owa jest najwa\u017cniejsze przy komponowaniu muzyki sakralnej?<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Tak, jest to co\u015b, czego wymaga sama muzyka sakralna. W Dyrektorium Og\u00f3lnym Msza\u0142u Rzymskiego jest napisane, \u017ce muzyka musi zawsze wzmacnia\u0107 S\u0142owo i nigdy nie mo\u017ce rozprasza\u0107. Dlatego pierwsz\u0105 rzecz\u0105, jak\u0105 musi zrobi\u0107 kompozytor, pisz\u0105c muzyk\u0119 do liturgii, jest d\u0105\u017cenie do tego, by tekst by\u0142 zrozumia\u0142y. S\u0142owo musi by\u0107 najwa\u017cniejsze, nie mo\u017ce by\u0107 zniekszta\u0142cone przez muzyk\u0119. Nast\u0119pnie, gdy przychodzi do tworzenia muzyki, tekst musi by\u0107 przeci\u0105gni\u0119ty przez kompozycj\u0119. Bardzo wyra\u017anym tego przyk\u0142adem jest <em>Magnificat<\/em> Bacha. Bach to poeta-muzyk, najwi\u0119kszy przedstawiciel muzyki liturgicznej, niezale\u017cnie od tego, \u017ce by\u0142 protestantem. Wyobra\u017cenia o liturgii by\u0142y takie same i on jest przyk\u0142adem, jak ta muzyka powinna by\u0107 komponowana.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador, music\u00f3logo y organista, es uno de los primeros nombres que surgen cuando pensamos en m\u00fasica sacra. Ha dado conciertos en importantes salas internacionales. Ahora mismo reparte su tiempo entre Madrid y Mosc\u00fa, y se ha sentado a hablar con Omnes sobre m\u00fasica, liturgia y el arte. \u00bfCu\u00e1l es tu relaci\u00f3n con la [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1436,"featured_media":27155,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_members_access_role":[],"_members_access_error":""},"categories":[36,39],"tags":[233,603,1081],"class_list":["post-27146","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-actualidad","category-cultura","tag-entrevistas","tag-liturgia","tag-musica-sacra"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador: \u201cLa m\u00fasica debe reforzar la Palabra\u201d - Omnes<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador, organista y music\u00f3logo, habla en Omnes sobre liturgia, m\u00fasica, el arte y la Iglesia.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/aktualnosci\/wywiad-daniel-martin-salvador\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"pl_PL\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Daniel Mart\u00edn Salvador: \u201cLa m\u00fasica debe reforzar la Palabra\u201d - 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