{"id":50667,"date":"2025-07-04T06:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-04T04:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/?p=50667"},"modified":"2025-07-04T08:45:35","modified_gmt":"2025-07-04T06:45:35","slug":"etsuro-sotoo-wywiad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/actualidad\/etsuro-sotoo-entrevista\/","title":{"rendered":"Etsuro Sotoo: \"Kamie\u0144 zaprowadzi\u0142 mnie do Sagrada Familia, Sagrada Familia do Gaudiego, a Gaud\u00ed do Boga\"."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Rozmowa z japo\u0144skim rze\u017abiarzem <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etsurosotoo.com\">Etsuro Sotoo <\/a>to wej\u015bcie w inny, bardziej spokojny i mniej materialny wymiar \u017cycia. Sotoo, g\u0142\u00f3wny rze\u017abiarz <a href=\"https:\/\/sagradafamilia.org\">Sagrada Familia w Barcelonie<\/a>. Tam doszed\u0142 do \"r\u0105bania kamienia\" i poprzez ten kamie\u0144, a tak\u017ce poprzez posta\u0107 i prac\u0119 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/aktualnosci\/doswiadczenia\/gaudi-inkarnacja-boskiej-pieknosci\/\">Antoni Gaud\u00ed<\/a> nawr\u00f3ci\u0142 si\u0119 na chrze\u015bcija\u0144stwo.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">26 czerwca Etsuro Sotoo zainaugurowa\u0142 pierwsz\u0105 edycj\u0119 Nocy \u015bw. Tomasza More'a, wieczoru po\u015bwi\u0119conego refleksji nad rol\u0105 kultury we wsp\u00f3\u0142czesnym \u015bwiecie z perspektywy inspirowanej chrze\u015bcija\u0144stwem, promowanego przez <a href=\"https:\/\/www.acdp.es\/quienes-somos\/obras\/fundacion-cultural-angel-herrera-oria\/\">Fundacja Kulturalna \u00c1ngel Herrera Oria<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kr\u00f3tko przed tym spotkaniem Omnes uda\u0142o si\u0119 przeprowadzi\u0107 wywiad z autorem fasady Narodzenia Pa\u0144skiego w katalo\u0144skim ko\u015bciele i porozmawia\u0107 z nim o \"tylnych drzwiach\", przez kt\u00f3re wszed\u0142 do wiary.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Otwierasz pierwsz\u0105 edycj\u0119\u00a0<em>Noc \u015bw.<\/em>. Inny Tomasz z Akwinu m\u00f3wi\u0142 o drodze pi\u0119kna do poznania Boga. Czy pi\u0119kno jest pocz\u0105tkiem czy celem?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- To dobre pytanie. Jak dot\u0105d nikt nie zada\u0142 mi tego pytania. Pi\u0119kno ma pocz\u0105tek i koniec. To jest w\u0142a\u015bciwa odpowied\u017a. Poniewa\u017c od pocz\u0105tku \u015bwiata sztuka jest obecna i my\u015bl\u0119, \u017ce w przysz\u0142o\u015bci ka\u017cdy b\u0119dzie artyst\u0105. To ostateczne rzemios\u0142o.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wszystko idzie naprz\u00f3d, jest to bardzo wyra\u017ane w technologii. \u017bycie si\u0119 zmienia. Ale rzemios\u0142o artysty nie tylko nie zaginie, ale ka\u017cdy b\u0119dzie artyst\u0105.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ostatnim rzemios\u0142em ludzko\u015bci jest sztuka. Ka\u017cdy lubi sztuk\u0119. To b\u0119dzie nasza przysz\u0142o\u015b\u0107.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Czy zatem ta sztuka, to pi\u0119kno, jest \"ostatecznym\" sposobem, kt\u00f3ry ka\u017cdy mo\u017ce mie\u0107, aby dotrze\u0107 do Boga?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Dzi\u0119ki Bogu nie jeste\u015bmy tacy sami. Nie wszyscy podzielaj\u0105 t\u0119 sam\u0105 przyczyn\u0119, dla kt\u00f3rej znajdujemy Boga. Goethe powiedzia\u0142, \u017ce \"kto nie posiada nauki i sztuki, niech ma religi\u0119\", poprzez religi\u0119 znajdziesz t\u0119 nauk\u0119 i sztuk\u0119. Je\u015bli masz studia, znajdziesz Boga w religii. W ko\u0144cu wszyscy dotrzemy do tego samego miejsca: wykszta\u0142ceni i niewykszta\u0142ceni, bogaci i biedni...&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">W moim przypadku jestem Japo\u0144czykiem i przyjecha\u0142em przez prac\u0119. Prac\u0119. B\u00f3g da\u0142 mi ten spos\u00f3b poznania Go. Chcia\u0142em dobrze wykonywa\u0107 swoj\u0105 prac\u0119, budowa\u0107, tworzy\u0107 rze\u017aby Ko\u015bcio\u0142a z ca\u0142\u0105 jego symbolik\u0105. B\u00f3g da\u0142 mi \"moj\u0105 marchewk\u0119\". Je\u015bli chcia\u0142em dobrze wykona\u0107 to zadanie w Sagrada Fam\u00edlia, musia\u0142em by\u0107 w tym samym miejscu, w kt\u00f3rym by\u0142em w ko\u015bciele. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/pl\/aktualnosci\/papiez-oglasza-antoniego-gaudiego-czcigodnym\/\">Gaudi<\/a> A gdzie jest Gaud\u00ed? W Bo\u017cym \u015bwiecie. Musia\u0142em tam by\u0107. Na pocz\u0105tku m\u00f3j motyw nie by\u0142 duchowy, chcia\u0142em po prostu \"zrobi\u0107 to dobrze\".\u00a0<em>s\u0142aby punkt<\/em>\u00a0Japo\u0144czyk\u00f3w (\u015bmiech).\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Moje wej\u015bcie w wiar\u0119 by\u0142o nieco osobliwe, prawie wstydz\u0119 si\u0119 to wyzna\u0107, ale dotarli\u015bmy do tego samego miejsca. B\u00f3g dobrze kalkuluje. Pocz\u0105tkiem by\u0142o dobre poznanie Go, dobre wykonywanie mojej pracy; to by\u0142y \"tylne drzwi\" i wszed\u0142em. Potem katolicka \u015bcie\u017cka jest szeroka, ka\u017cdy pasuje: s\u0105 ludzie, kt\u00f3rzy zaczynaj\u0105 biec, ludzie, kt\u00f3rzy zygzakuj\u0105, ... Ja, jak dobry Japo\u0144czyk, szed\u0142em krok po kroku.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Czy mo\u017cemy powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce B\u00f3g zosta\u0142 znaleziony w\u015br\u00f3d kamieni?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Dlaczego zacz\u0105\u0142em ci\u0105\u0107 kamie\u0144? Dlaczego zakocha\u0142em si\u0119 w kamieniu? Poniewa\u017c od dziecka mia\u0142em pytanie. Nie zdawa\u0142em sobie nawet sprawy z tego, co to by\u0142o, ani ze znaczenia tego niepokoju. Wtedy odkry\u0142em kamie\u0144.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Zacz\u0105\u0142em d\u0142uba\u0107 w kamieniu, niemal irracjonalnie. To by\u0142a si\u0142a, kt\u00f3ra doprowadzi\u0142a mnie tam, by znale\u017a\u0107 odpowied\u017a. \"Aby odpowiedzie\u0107 na to pytanie, kt\u00f3re mam w sobie, musia\u0142em wybra\u0107 kamie\u0144\". Nie wiem, dlaczego tak my\u015bla\u0142em; ale aby dowiedzie\u0107 si\u0119, jakie jest pytanie i znale\u017a\u0107 odpowied\u017a na ten wewn\u0119trzny niepok\u00f3j, musia\u0142em si\u0119 poci\u0107, musia\u0142em nawet krwawi\u0107, aby znale\u017a\u0107, uformowa\u0107 moje pytanie i znale\u017a\u0107 odpowied\u017a na to pytanie mojego \u017cycia.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bardzo mi to pomog\u0142o, poniewa\u017c kamie\u0144 zaprowadzi\u0142 mnie do Sagrada Fam\u00edlia, Sagrada Fam\u00edlia wprowadzi\u0142a mnie do Gaudiego, a Gaud\u00ed wprowadzi\u0142 mnie do Wielkiego Mistrza, do Boga. Wida\u0107, \u017ce \u015bcie\u017cka nie by\u0142a b\u0142\u0119dna, a wr\u0119cz przeciwnie, by\u0142a bardzo w\u0142a\u015bciwa.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">W\u015br\u00f3d prac, nad kt\u00f3rymi pracujesz, jedn\u0105 z najwa\u017cniejszych jest Sagrada Familia w Barcelonie. Jakie jest zadanie uko\u0144czenia tego, co Gaud\u00ed wyobra\u017ca\u0142 sobie dla tej \u015bwi\u0105tyni?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Gaud\u00ed nie napisa\u0142 nic o Sagrada Fam\u00edlia. Dlatego musia\u0142em spojrze\u0107 na jego projekt inaczej. Urodzi\u0142e\u015b si\u0119 w chrze\u015bcija\u0144skim spo\u0142ecze\u0144stwie, cz\u0119sto zosta\u0142e\u015b ochrzczony prawie nie zdaj\u0105c sobie z tego sprawy... <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ja nie - mimo \u017ce chodzi\u0142am do katolickiego przedszkola. Mog\u0142em zobaczy\u0107 lub zauwa\u017cy\u0107 rzeczy, kt\u00f3re wielu ludzi\u00a0<em>Katolicy jak zwykle,<\/em>\u00a0nie zauwa\u017caj\u0105. To, co jest normalne dla zwyk\u0142ych katolik\u00f3w, dla mnie by\u0142o klejnotem. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wiele razy jestem jak dziecko odkrywaj\u0105ce li\u015b\u0107 i jest to dar, kt\u00f3ry otrzyma\u0142em. Nauczy\u0142em si\u0119 bardzo pi\u0119knych i dobrych rzeczy, dzi\u0119ki obcym oczom.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Sagrada Fam\u00edlia jest w budowie od ponad wieku. W czasach, w kt\u00f3rych szybko\u015b\u0107 i \"efemeryczno\u015b\u0107\" s\u0105 na porz\u0105dku dziennym, co mo\u017cemy wyci\u0105gn\u0105\u0107 z tej rzeczywisto\u015bci? Czy warto?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">- Spo\u0142ecze\u0144stwo chce wszystkiego szybko i \u0142atwo. Zapomnieli\u015bmy o \"pocie\", o po\u015bwi\u0119ceniu. A szybka droga nie prowadzi do Wielkiego Mistrza. Bez po\u015bwi\u0119cenia niczego nie znajdziemy, nie znale\u017ali\u015bmy niczego takiego w ca\u0142ej historii ludzko\u015bci i to nie zmieni przysz\u0142o\u015bci.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je\u015bli matka, wychowuj\u0105c swoje dziecko, my\u015bli tylko o \"oszcz\u0119dzaniu\": pieni\u0119dzy, czasu, energii, mi\u0142o\u015bci..., dziecko by\u0107 mo\u017ce b\u0119dzie ros\u0142o fizycznie, jak ro\u015blina, ale nie zostanie uformowane. Oczywi\u015bcie jest w tym pewien sekret: to po\u015bwi\u0119cenie jest przekszta\u0142cane przez mi\u0142o\u015b\u0107.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Matki po\u015bwi\u0119caj\u0105 si\u0119 z mi\u0142o\u015bci\u0105, z przyjemno\u015bci\u0105. To jest sekret, o kt\u00f3rym zapomnieli\u015bmy, pr\u00f3buj\u0105c&nbsp;<em>oszcz\u0119dza\u0107<\/em>. Wszyscy w ko\u0144cu cierpimy, po\u015bwi\u0119camy si\u0119, ale musimy to robi\u0107 we w\u0142a\u015bciwy spos\u00f3b, potrzebujemy nauczycieli i potrzebujemy Mistrza.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"920\" height=\"526\" src=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-50674\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2.jpg 920w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2-700x400.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2-300x172.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2-768x439.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2-18x10.jpg 18w, https:\/\/www.omnesmag.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/etsuto-s-2-600x343.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 920px) 100vw, 920px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Etsuro Sotoo podczas 1. edycji St Thomas More Night \u00a9CEU<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hablar con el escultor japon\u00e9s Etsuro Sotoo es entrar en otra dimensi\u00f3n, m\u00e1s pausada y menos material, de la vida. 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